Greetings infidels

Asalam Alikum Believers/Muslims

In this thread I wanted to share my experience and other personal stuff about my journey doing Dawh (Inviting people to Islam)

Starting from childhood, I learned about hell, a place only evil people enters.

That combined with the fact that most of the world are infidels, created in me a similar issue to that of "Problem of hell", as an innocent child I may have thought that all mankind should enter paradise, a world with only pleasure and good stuff and no suffering at all.

"If only these infidels knew about Islam and how amazing it is they will surely convert and enter paradise" ~the "little did I know" me

Well time passed and, eventually I grow up, after certain events I became very interested in religion, and I went doing Dawh online, mainly I tried to do it on the onion network (because I thought no one is doing it there, so I wanted to fill the gap)

Eventually I stumbled on Digdeeper website, and reading few interesting articles, I joined his community, and there were I had many of my early debates about religion.

I admit I wasn't a good debater at the beginning, I did know I was right but I didn't know why or how to prove it correctly, and yes I had to search for arguments and other stuff on realtime to be able to keep up with, it was that time I had the idea of UniversalPath site, a site that in theory was suppose to give you an easy "copy paste" arguments and anti-arguments text.

Eventually it developed into a full articles site much like digdeeper, and at one point used to have a good number of visitors on neocities, that is until it got banned.

I quickly searched and learned about infidels believes, Atheism, Christianity, Liberal agendas such as feminism and LGBT, and the more I learned, the more I noticed how bad infidels are compare to my initial idea about them.

They aren't just bunch of people with wrong ideas or believes, but rather straight up evil

I quickly confirmed this the more I debated/argued with them, and noticed all the hypocrisy, the inconsistency, the pride, the arrogance, the lack of common sense and lack of any form of logic.

Take Atheism for example, the hardest part is not refuting it.

I mean how hard it is to prove that "nothing can't create anything", that a billion 0 doesn't equal to 1

Not hard, the hardest part is convincing an atheist that he is not a monkey, which is a serious issue.

Atheists seem to want to sink, they are simply competing in that, being called an "evolved monkey" isn't enough, they went with "we are a hybrid of pig and monkey" (and this is not a joke, "The Hybrid Hypothesis" exists, and I am to this day refusing to deep search it to refute it, because if you are so much of a scum that you believe in that, then I am sorry for you)

This mindset, is reflected in their societies, as their believes give raise to all sorts of animistic barbaric behaviors, just take any bad action and see the statistics in it, you will find secular countries always peak at them, but infidels do not want to learn nor change.

And just don't get me started on infidels history, that's a topic that deserves a book, not a thread.

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When I say infidels are evil, I mean it literally, but it seems that they don't know this about themselves, they think they are the heros of the world, they are its healers.

The funny part is, when it comes to each others, they know this about themselves, so its easy to see an infidel conspiracy theorist argue that whatever "good reason" any ruler infidel ("elites") is giving is a hypocrisy or a lie.

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Well...

I am no longer that child that think infidels are misguided people, sure there are among them that are misguided and I know they are going to return to the right thing eventually, but those who aren't, picked their believes fully by choice, and believes are the reflection of the heart, if one has a nasty believe, he is a nasty person, regardless.

I hate you infidels. Thanks for reading.

It seems like you've been through quite a journey with your beliefs and experiences. I'm curious, do you live in America? If so, it must be interesting living among many people who you consider "infidels," yet you must still see goodness in some of them?

useruser111

It seems like you've been through quite a journey with your beliefs and experiences. I'm curious, do you live in America? If so, it must be interesting living among many people who you consider "infidels," yet you must still see goodness in some of them?

No I don't live in America, nor I wish to.

as for "goodness" in infidels, my observation is that even that is hypocritical.

here are some examples:

US infidels invades and destroys X country, when that X country becomes unstable and poor and it's people are starving, it sends "humanitarian aid", and film that and spread the news.

for any untrained observer, it will seem the US infidels are heros, they send aid to these starving poor children.

But in reality, they are the monster evil behind the problem, and the aid is nothing but to fool everyone.

This is effectively what we see in GAZA, when US support the zioninsts to the teeth, but goes and send "humanitarian aid" that according to what I heard, is both not enough in a trolling way, and iirc they dropped it in dangerous places.

so yaay, US infidels have "goodness" in them?

monsters, no words could describe the hypocrisy of infidels.

And to anyone saying "Oh you are talking about the government which doesn't represent the people", I say, even now while the GAZA conflict is clearly a genocide, there is a side that stands with the Zionists, how hypocritical can that be?

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another hypocritical "goodness" is the fighting for "equality", "women right"

which effectively translate to: "we want to destroy families, flood the labor market, get money on women hand since they spend a lot and we therefore get more money, spread depression, spread social instability" etc...

this goes same for "X rights", any rights they give is either to do bad or they don't give it.

I could go on and on, not only in modern era, but also historically, infidels are no trust.

Tell me what your believes, I tell you who you are and what will you do

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"Infidels can't be better, they can only be less worse" ~loadingxml

When I read your message, I assumed you were from America or westerner due to your decent use of English. However, I understand that this might not be the case. If you're comfortable sharing, I would like to know which country you're from, but I completely understand if you prefer to keep that private.

I appreciate your candor even though I strongly disagree. However, I'm curious about how you interact with people who hold different beliefs in your daily life. Are you rude to all people who are "infidels"? Are there any instances where you've found common ground or respect despite differing beliefs? I believe that respect and empathy can be fostered even when we disagree.

I'm also concerned about whether you are deceiving those in your community who are "infidels". Regarding your statement, "Infidels can't be better, they can only be less worse," I'm interested in knowing what evidence supports this view. Do you believe this applies to all individuals who are not of your faith? I wonder about the implications of this perspective on your interactions with others. For instance, do you think it's acceptable to deceive "infidels" in certain situations or kill all "infidels".

useruser111

When I read your message, I assumed you were from America or westerner due to your decent use of English. However, I understand that this might not be the case. If you're comfortable sharing, I would like to know which country you're from, but I completely understand if you prefer to keep that private.

I appreciate your candor even though I strongly disagree. However, I'm curious about how you interact with people who hold different beliefs in your daily life. Are you rude to all people who are "infidels"? Are there any instances where you've found common ground or respect despite differing beliefs? I believe that respect and empathy can be fostered even when we disagree.

I'm also concerned about whether you are deceiving those in your community who are "infidels". Regarding your statement, "Infidels can't be better, they can only be less worse," I'm interested in knowing what evidence supports this view. Do you believe this applies to all individuals who are not of your faith? I wonder about the implications of this perspective on your interactions with others. For instance, do you think it's acceptable to deceive "infidels" in certain situations or kill all "infidels".

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My English is far from being good, if you payed attention you will notice a lot of typos that I couldn't fix because this ShadowForum has some sort of timer (it told me to wait ~2.9h to submit my edit, seriously, are they trying to stop spammers or to make me forget about submitting anything?)

but I will say I had quite good amount of interaction with westerns/Americans, to the point if I simply tired, you may not distinguish me from them.

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I am from Algeria, not so paranoid to share that information.

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as for my interactions to infidels, they are as good as you can think, with respect (i.e good behavior, not crossing my limits) and all, me hating them so much does not mean I should treat them bad, UNLESS, I see they deserve that.

the only three instances I change mode is:

> When they don't behave well

> When they attack my religion, faith, believers without respect

> If they had a Military action against believers.

Besides these, I talk with infidels about all sorts of topics, including technology, conspiracy theories (try my best to convince them they are none-sense), food, biology (until some atheist bring evolution, then it becomes a debate), health stuff, etc..

However my "community" infidels are a little special, I hate them more then foreign infidels, mainly because they don't have a reason to be infidels, I feel both sad and angry about them, and I usually have that unease feeling whenever I deal with them.

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As for the evidences that all infidels are bad, I just gave you the premise of "Believes are reflection of your heart"

and "tell me your believes I tell you what are you"

basically, if infidels, say atheists, believe you are a chemical scum (from a Quote by Stephen Hawking [1]), do you think he will feel any regret nuking you? killing you? or anything?

if he did then he lies about his believes, no one feel anything about some chemical scum.

say Jews, they believe every other human race is a "lower" entity to them, will they hesitate to bomb children in GAZA?

say white supremacists, who (if we went to the max level), think lower races (mainly blacks) are animals or sub-humans, will they hesitate to do school shooting of a school that is full of blacks? (In fact even historically, this idea of lower races, or blacks being sub-humans, was made to justify and take away the regret/grief of bad treatment of slaves, check [2])

and so on, pick any infidel believes, study it and you will see how he will treat you when he gets the chance to do so, heck even conspiracy theorists here, what do you think they want?

they usually want to destroy the government, and doing so is obviously going to cause destabilization, civil wars, bloodshed, etc.., even if you clearly told them the bad consequences of their ideas, they won't care, it goes against their main believe/goal.

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as for last part, the implication of what I said is simply:

> Do not trust infidels, always keep a margin for safety

> Expect anything bad from them

> Avoid dealing with them in case you got believers as an option.

as for the rest of implications I get that from my religion Islam, which teaches about rules/guidelines/laws for dealing with infidels.

Hope you learned something, if I did make a mistake, its from me, if I did make it right, its from God.

[1]: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/523470-the-human-race-is-just-a-chemical-scum-on-a

[2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIZDtqWX6Fk

To be clear, I am not a pacifist and firmly believe in the right to self-defense. I understand that Palestinians may harbor hate towards their oppressors. It is a natural human reaction to oppression and injustice.

But I have a question: Did your Prophet hate all "infidels", or does this viewpoint stem more from personal experiences or the broader context of your community?

Additionally, are there many Muslims active on the dark web, or are you one of the few?

useruser111

To be clear, I am not a pacifist and firmly believe in the right to self-defense. I understand that Palestinians may harbor hate towards their oppressors. It is a natural human reaction to oppression and injustice.

But I have a question: Did your Prophet hate all "infidels", or does this viewpoint stem more from personal experiences or the broader context of your community?

Additionally, are there many Muslims active on the dark web, or are you one of the few?

Yes, My Prophet peace be upon him, hates all infidels, so do I, this should be the case regardless of the experience of the believer.

but to not create an all black view, the idea is that, despite our hate to infidels, we do love them to be guided and not be infidels, this is also not include the love ones have towards family infidels, say a believer Son, with an infidel father, despite son's hate for infidels, he still have a love towards his father (independent from his father's believes).

same if you got an infidel wife (/if you don't know, a believe (Muslim) man could have a virgin christian or Jew as a wife, which both are infidels, with rules and guidelines./), despite the infidel side of his wife, he may still love her.

so it is not all black, but this never takes away the clear fact that they are the bad guys.

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as for the dark web, as someone who surfed quite a large chunk of the onion network, and some I2P, it is very limited environment in terms of what you can found or usefulness.

unless you have a particular goal that requires dark web anonymity or overall technology, then maybe.

but if you are just searching for something dark web specific, you may not get what you want, or you will get something that is clearnet but has a darkweb version.

I went Dawh there thinking I will found a dark web specific community, but ended up founding digdeeper A CLEARNET COMMUNITY

never the less, I think I left one "search for Islam" comment somewhere in a random site, God knows what it may have changed.

one last thing, the dark web is well, full of haram (prohibited) things, which makes it not suitable place to surf for Muslims, you could like workaround this with uMatrix and disable image loading.

Hope my respond to you is accurate.

Do you know any Muslims in America who are active on the dark web or have similar experiences? This is important for me to understand the broader context and community dynamics among Muslims

useruser111

Do you know any Muslims in America who are active on the dark web or have similar experiences? This is important for me to understand the broader context and community dynamics among Muslims

I don't know what experience you are referring to, is it my experience with infidels or my experience surfing the dark web?

Anyhow I don't know any Muslim in America (that I actively talk to), nor any Muslim who is like dark web only (I know Muslims who could surf the dark web if necessary, such as visiting my dark web site (don't ask for a link, it is self hosted in my computer so its up by request))

as for you wanting to understand such topic its really not a American or dark web specific thing, once one became a Muslim and starts to see the darkness of infidels, he will automatically hate them, and I am not even including the hate required by the religion itself, its just a hate u gain by understanding the infidel's core and studying their doctrines and what they REALLY imply.

I will leave you my XMPP address: universalpath@draugr.de

I do have a small Muslim XMPP community, if you asked me I could allow you temporary into an XMPP MUC for Muslims only, so you may ask your questions and get different Muslims answers.

ShadowForums is bad, I reported an issue with a ban each submit, and they didn't even comment on it: https://forum.shadow.lifestyle/shadowfourms-well.26/

now the next ban I think will be 7h...

hope you found my information helpful.